To Drink, or get Drunk
Here’s a hot topic for you: Christian Drinking. Is it acceptable for a Christian to drink alcohol, even just a little? Well, I was thinking about this not long ago, and that evening, at a men’s bible study I sometimes attend, we discussed the very issue. I was surprised to see some Scriptures on the subject I had never seen before, and I also feel more certain about the Bible’s teaching on the topic.
There are many arguments on both sides, and I’m sure you’ve heard them all before. There are very convincing verses in Proverbs 23, which warn against even looking at wine, and the horrible state a person is in if they go down that path. Then there are verses that talk about “Take a little wine for your stomach”, and the fact that Jesus served “wine” at the Last Supper. Then the “tea-totalers” come back with the old “there were two types of wine back then” position. (Which I think is probably true, btw.) Though these are important things to consider, I want to focus on a couple things I had not considered before.
Isaiah 5:22 – “Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:”
Without going into too much detail, I think this verse is telling us that mighty men, men of strength, do not drink. That is to say, they do not drink strong drink. (Notice it says “drink” not “get drunk.”) You want to drink, go ahead, but you won’t be a mighty man. That is something I had not considered before.
Proverbs 20:1 – “Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.”
It is very easy to be deceived by alcohol. Better to not even go close. It’s not wise to be deceived by those traps.
Proverbs 23:31-32 – “Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.”
Do you really want to play with a poisonous snake? Sure you can hold it, you can play with it, and it might not bite you. But if it does……it is really going to hurt! (God is really good about analogies, isn’t he?)
Romans 14:21 – “It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.”
Can we possibly justify something that will make another brother weak? What about the testimony to the world?
I think it is safe the say that the overwhelming attitude of Scripture toward alcohol (strong drink) is one of extreme warning and danger. While it might not say “Drinking is a sin”, it certainly does warn strongly against getting even close to that stuff.
And then some would say “But Jesus turned water into wine at the wedding in Cana.” Well, I would say that it was probably nonalcoholic fruit of the vine (also called wine), not juice that had already started to decay and destroy. But the Bible doesn’t say that. However, considering the rest of the Scriptures warnings against drinking (not just drunkenness)……Do you think Jesus would have provided something to people that may have offended a weaker brother, or caused someone to stumble into drunkenness? Do you think Jesus would have given them something that would hinder their might and strength? (Isaiah 5) Saying that he gave them fermented, decaying wine is like saying he would have given them a poisonous snake and said “Here have fun playing with this, but don’t let it bite you.”
So there you have it. I dive once again into controversy. Let me know if you see holes in any of this logic, or in my interpretation of Scripture. I hope this has helped you to think through this issue carefully.
OH, and here is this weeks sermon notes:
Examples from Israel: Part 5 – Murmuring to Destruction
‘Alo, Jarod.
Good thoughts, and you come to a conclusion based on Scripture, which is admirable. My friend wrote about this topic, from the other side of the scale. I also thought it was a good-thoughted post: http://praiznazn.blogspot.com/2007/03/i-3-jesus-alcohol.html and you can read that if you’re into reading other people’s opinions.
But ’tis true that only one of you looked into the Bible. Iz ok. I think this is a fine discussion topic.
Good stuff, Jarod. Thanks for having the guts to address this issue. I say why even bother messing with the stuff?? Not worth the pain it has the potential to cause. All it takes is one drink for some to become alcoholics…
Me? I’ll stick to my tea and ginger ale. =P
Yeah, we’ve been listening to a lot of messages on this topic. Some of it is pretty confusing, but I think I’m starting to understand a little bit better about what the Bible says about drinking. It’s an interesting thing to think about. 🙂
LOVE, -Katie
Great post Brother! Funny you should post on this, It’s been a topic that has been going around…
Now a little question:
Proverbs 20:1 – “Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.”
Is Coffee considered a strong drink???
God bless you man!
Keep it strong. Keep it real.
~victor
I really enjoy reading your blogs Jarod – the only thing I disagree with is the part about wine not really being wine in the OT or when Jesus turned water into wine that it was non-alcoholic. The man who was the Bible teacher at our Bible college and has spent more time studying the Bible and all that it means than anyone I know, (conservative, has his PhD in Biblical studies, etc.) does very in depth studies using the original greek words and their original meanings and he says it is very clear if you do a complete study that wine was really wine and no I don’t think he thinks that Believers today should drink….but he is also one of the very few who preaches just as strongly on things like gluttony, gossip, etc. and a lot of the other vices that far too many Christians conveniently ignore. Really excellent Bible teacher.
If memory serves me correctly it seems like something changed after the Flood and that was why Noah got drunk – he didn’t know that something had changed with the grapes…that part is a little fuzzy….but it seems like that is what we learned.
I think the “wine” Jesus used at the Last Supper was fruit of the vine and since it was passover the bread and wine was unleven, therefore unfermented wine (Fruit of the vine, grape juice.)
Not a scholar or theologue, I just play one in real life.
Good blog. I tend to stay away from this subject…maybe I’m chicken to face it. My biggest question is “what’s the point in drinking?” If you are not going to get drunk (referring to people that say they drink it for the taste) then why drink it, it certainly does not taste that great. Anyhow, I won’t go into all that but I do agree with you. Thanks for coming to the house last night. I really enjoyed it. It is nice to know we have something in common, a love of basketball.
Hey Bro, how’ve you been. I would love hear from you sometime.
i don’t know how i missed this entry, jrod.
1 tim 5:23
In reference to Paul’s admonition to Timothy to “take a little wine for thy stomach”, who’s to say that it was alcoholic wine? The word translated “wine” may have had different meanings in different instances and contexts. (We have many similar words in English.) Paul may have been speaking of a strong, but non-alcoholic, form of grape juice. Modern studies now show that 100% grape juice has the same medicinal properties as modern wine. So I am not convinced that Paul was telling Timothy to drink alcohol for his health. That being said, I believe taking alcohol for medicinal purposes is allowable. (In some instances. Broken hearts don’t count.)
Good post, Jerod. I say ditto to your points.
-Tim